by objecting to bill clinton and congress and a bunch of time debating a before getting it passed. and the senator did. he bought as time. a lot of time, as it turned out. it held all the way until the end of session of congress. so when the bill came back, they had to start all over rid that figured, why not give it a new name? that is when it began being called pipa and eventually sopa. a year or two of delay. in retrospect, we used that time to lay the groundwork for what came later. but that is not what it felt like at the time. at the time it felt like we're going around telling people these bills were awful, and in return, they told us they thought we were crazy. we were kids wandering around waiting arms wondering how the government was going to censor the internet id does sound a little crazy i was constantly saying what was going on, try to get him involved. i'm sure larry just thought i was -- even i began to doubt myself. it was a rough time. but when the bill came back and started moving again, some of the work restarted during started coming together. the folks we talk